What happened to the stone box that held the golden plates in the Hill Cumorah? | Ep. 199
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Joseph Smith claimed to have
Joseph Smith claimed to have recovered the golden “Book of Mormon” plates from a stone box embedded in a hill later named Cumorah. Is that stone box still there? If not, what happened to it? Did anyone else ever see it? In this episode, David explores these questions and more.
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— David Whitmer interview, Salt Lake Herald-Republican, August 12, 1875 (reprinted from Chicago Times): http://bit.ly/3zu82IR
— David Whitmer interview, Deseret Evening News, August 16, 1878 (interview with P. Wilhelm Poulson): http://bit.ly/3lJybzR
— David Whitmer interview, Deseret Evening News, June 11, 1881 (reprinted from Kansas City Journal, June 5, 1881): http://bit.ly/40kOItf
— David Whitmer interview, Chicago Times, 17 Oct. 1881 (reprinted in Saints’ Herald 28 [15 Nov. 1881]: 346-347): https://bit.ly/3GgSNqj
— “Reminiscences of Joseph the Prophet, And the Coming Forth of the Book of Mormon” by Elder Edward Stevenson, 1893: http://bit.ly/3m3EH4E
— Photo from 1907 of where the plates were supposedly buried: http://bit.ly/3n9rh7v
— “A Story on Canvas, Paper, and Glass: The Early Visual Images of the Hill Cumorah,” by Richard Holtzapfel and Cameron Packer (BYU Studies): https://bit.ly/3U3V4uK
— Short article from Salt Lake Tribune (Oct. 1, 1872) challenging Orson Pratt to account for the stone box: http://bit.ly/40mUqL9
— Sidney Rigdon emphatically stated that he had never met Joseph Smith until after the Book of Mormon was already published: http://bit.ly/40DIV1Q
— Some additional information on Lorenzo Saunders via FamilySearch: https://bit.ly/40YAVsk
— A mention from “Mormonism In All Ages,” by Jonathan B. Turner (1841), pg. 15: “He went, and found them deposited in a box of stone, near the surface of the earth, nicely secured both from air and moisture, by means of a peculiar cement applied to the joints of the box.” Source: https://bit.ly/3lMlYKM
— In this anti-Latter-day Saint work, Martin Harris is credited with referring to the container as “a box or ark”: https://bit.ly/3nhzuX9
— “Acquiring Cumorah,” by Cameron J. Packer (BYU Studies): http://bit.ly/3MzcAp5
Notes:
— In Orlando Saunders’ interview, the interviewed mentioned, “Well; you seem to differ a little from a good many of the stories told about these people.” Orlando responded, “I have told you just what I know about them, and you will have to go somewhere else for a different story.” It seems to me that he was aware of the malicious rumors that had been spread about the Smiths and was intentional about not perpetuating them (unlike Orlando’s younger brother, Lorenzo). Source: See “Early Mormon Documents” by Dan Vogel, 2:102-103
— John Hyde Jr. complained in “Mormonism, its Leaders and Designs,” that after Joseph’s opening of the box in 1823, “after the snows and rains of four winters such a box would be quite barer, and would have been inspected and robbed. To say that God should act thus in preserving ‘his holy word’ is ridiculous and improbable.” If the box had remained undiscovered for several centuries by that point, it does not strain credulity for it to last another few years. That said, if the box were left open and exposed after Joseph retrieved the plates in 1827, it may have been more noticeable and susceptible to the tampering of others. Source: https://bit.ly/3KgoaDW
— Lorenzo Saunders and Pomeroy Tucker (probably among others?) reported that men looking for treasure had dug a rather prominent hole on the northeastern side of the hill (according to Saunders). Critic Dan Vogel suggests that the men that David Whitmer overhears talking about the “place in the hill that [Joseph] took them out of” might be confusing the true site with this other hole. There’s no way to verify that theory, but at any rate, if David’s testimony is to be believed (which I believe it should be), then David actually later visited the hill and saw for himself the box made out of stones fixed in some kind of cement. This would not have been present in the other alleged hole.
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Video transcript: https://saintsunscripted.com/faith-an...
— David Whitmer interview, Salt Lake Herald-Republican, August 12, 1875 (reprinted from Chicago Times): http://bit.ly/3zu82IR
— David Whitmer interview, Deseret Evening News, August 16, 1878 (interview with P. Wilhelm Poulson): http://bit.ly/3lJybzR
— David Whitmer interview, Deseret Evening News, June 11, 1881 (reprinted from Kansas City Journal, June 5, 1881): http://bit.ly/40kOItf
— David Whitmer interview, Chicago Times, 17 Oct. 1881 (reprinted in Saints’ Herald 28 [15 Nov. 1881]: 346-347): https://bit.ly/3GgSNqj
— “Reminiscences of Joseph the Prophet, And the Coming Forth of the Book of Mormon” by Elder Edward Stevenson, 1893: http://bit.ly/3m3EH4E
— Photo from 1907 of where the plates were supposedly buried: http://bit.ly/3n9rh7v
— “A Story on Canvas, Paper, and Glass: The Early Visual Images of the Hill Cumorah,” by Richard Holtzapfel and Cameron Packer (BYU Studies): https://bit.ly/3U3V4uK
— Short article from Salt Lake Tribune (Oct. 1, 1872) challenging Orson Pratt to account for the stone box: http://bit.ly/40mUqL9
— Sidney Rigdon emphatically stated that he had never met Joseph Smith until after the Book of Mormon was already published: http://bit.ly/40DIV1Q
— Some additional information on Lorenzo Saunders via FamilySearch: https://bit.ly/40YAVsk
— A mention from “Mormonism In All Ages,” by Jonathan B. Turner (1841), pg. 15: “He went, and found them deposited in a box of stone, near the surface of the earth, nicely secured both from air and moisture, by means of a peculiar cement applied to the joints of the box.” Source: https://bit.ly/3lMlYKM
— In this anti-Latter-day Saint work, Martin Harris is credited with referring to the container as “a box or ark”: https://bit.ly/3nhzuX9
— “Acquiring Cumorah,” by Cameron J. Packer (BYU Studies): http://bit.ly/3MzcAp5
Notes:
— In Orlando Saunders’ interview, the interviewed mentioned, “Well; you seem to differ a little from a good many of the stories told about these people.” Orlando responded, “I have told you just what I know about them, and you will have to go somewhere else for a different story.” It seems to me that he was aware of the malicious rumors that had been spread about the Smiths and was intentional about not perpetuating them (unlike Orlando’s younger brother, Lorenzo). Source: See “Early Mormon Documents” by Dan Vogel, 2:102-103
— John Hyde Jr. complained in “Mormonism, its Leaders and Designs,” that after Joseph’s opening of the box in 1823, “after the snows and rains of four winters such a box would be quite barer, and would have been inspected and robbed. To say that God should act thus in preserving ‘his holy word’ is ridiculous and improbable.” If the box had remained undiscovered for several centuries by that point, it does not strain credulity for it to last another few years. That said, if the box were left open and exposed after Joseph retrieved the plates in 1827, it may have been more noticeable and susceptible to the tampering of others. Source: https://bit.ly/3KgoaDW
— Lorenzo Saunders and Pomeroy Tucker (probably among others?) reported that men looking for treasure had dug a rather prominent hole on the northeastern side of the hill (according to Saunders). Critic Dan Vogel suggests that the men that David Whitmer overhears talking about the “place in the hill that [Joseph] took them out of” might be confusing the true site with this other hole. There’s no way to verify that theory, but at any rate, if David’s testimony is to be believed (which I believe it should be), then David actually later visited the hill and saw for himself the box made out of stones fixed in some kind of cement. This would not have been present in the other alleged hole.
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