A Mormon Lesbian Love Story - Lena Schwen & Sal Osborne from Hulu’s Mormon No More | Ep. 1502

What happens when two closeted lesbian Mormon women marry men, have children, then cross paths and fall in love? In this very special Mormon Stories 2 part episode, we are honored to share one of the most important interviews in the history of the podcast. This is the story of Lena Schwen and Sal Osborne. In part 1, Sal describes dating in high school, feeling as though part of her died as she married a man in the LDS temple, and struggling with her ex-husband and band mate as they toured in the group “Love You Long Time”. Lena, a teenage convert from a divorced Catholic Italian home, takes us through the heartbreaking events that led to her conversion into the LDS church. Lena has a truly unique story and fascinating perspectives from the eyes of a convert! We end part one with Lena realizing that raising children with the values taught by the LDS church made her feel like her time being a dedicated Mormon wife was running out. We hope you’ll tune in to part 2 to hear how these two amazing women overcame enormous hurdles to become the couple they are today!

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Timecodes:
00:00:00 Introduction and opening remarks
00:07:25 Sal's orthodox Mormon childhood, moving often due to father in the FBI
00:17:02 Traumatic experiences with the binaries of gender presentation vs. gender identity vs. sexual orientation
00:27:27 Sal's faith as a teen; repressing her real self and being rewarded for it
00:44:00 Increased pressure to date boys; developed an eating disorder
00:54:34 Met her husband during freshman year and married at 20
01:07:58 Sal loved him platonically, but the sexual relationship was traumatic
01:17:33 Living in LA, in a band together, won Wipeout
01:28:13 Sal's fond memories of her marriage, and the slow, sometimes painful process of coming out to herself
01:41:23 LGBT Mormons are forced to lie to themselves and to everyone else
01:46:54 Lena's childhood in California and Las Vegas as a Catholic in an Italian family
01:57:48 Felt different from other girls, but didn't realize she was gay
02:08:55 Lena's conversion to Mormonism after a non-Mormon friend died in a drunk driving accident
02:28:42 Lena left her family in the middle of the night to move to Provo; her Mormon friends celebrated this decision
02:37:23 No one at BYU knew she wasn't a member until the Mission President found out; baptism experience was mixed
02:47:00 Study abroad in Italy leads to serving a mission in Florence and Rome
03:01:47 Lena's family's reaction to her conversion from Catholicism to Mormonism
03:07:10 Marrying her former husband and discovering an aversion to sex with a man
03:25:46 Prop 8 and LGBT issues begin the unraveling of her faith
03:39:02 Closing remarks and setup for Part 2

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