Joseph Smith’s Egyptian Grammar & Alphabet w/ Dan Vogel | Ep. 1519

Join John Dehlin and Radio Free Mormon as we speak with Dan Vogel about his new book, “ Book of Abraham Apologetics: A Review and Critique” published by Signature Books. Said to have been dictated by Joseph Smith as a translation of an ancient Egyptian scroll purchased in Kirtland, Ohio, in 1835, the Book of Abraham may be Mormonism’s most controversial scripture. Decades of impassioned discussion began when about a dozen fragments of Smith’s Egyptian papyri, including a facsimile from the Book of Abraham, were found in the New York Metropolitan Museum in 1966. The discovery solved a mystery about the origin of the Egyptian characters that appear in the various manuscript copies of the Book of Abraham from 1835, reproduced from one of the fragments. Some LDS scholars devised arguments to explain what seemed to be clear evidence of Smith’s inability to translate Egyptian. In this book, Dan Vogel not only highlights the problems with these apologetic arguments but explains the underlying source documents in revealing detail and clarity. Show Notes: Book of Abraham Apologetics: A Review and Critique by Dan Vogel https://www.amazon.com/Book-Abraham-Apologetics-Review-Critique/dp/1560852909 Mormon Stories' interviews with Dan Vogel https://www.mormonstories.org/podcast/dan-vogel/ https://www.mormonstories.org/podcast/book-of-mormon-dan-vogel/ https://www.mormonstories.org/podcast/dan-vogel-theories-of-book-of-mormon-authorship/ "Mormon Origins Explained," Dan Vogel's YouTube channel https://www.seevid.ir/fa/result?ytch=UCE7-EZ_ANHRkYHv7wCUTt0Q Mormonism Live with Radio Free Mormon and Bill Reel https://mormonismlive.org/ Mormon Stories discussion with Radio Free Mormon about Book of Abraham scholarship https://www.mormonstories.org/podcast/1397-civil-war-john-gee-vs-the-joseph-smith-papers-project/ Mormon Stories interview with Dr. Robert Ritner https://www.mormonstories.org/podcast/robert-ritner/ A Guide to the Joseph Smith Papyri by John Gee https://www.amazon.com/Guide-Joseph-Smith-Papyri/dp/0934893543 An Introduction to the Book of Abraham by John Gee https://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Book-Abraham-John-Gee/dp/1944394060 Illustrations of Freemasonry by Capt. William Morgan https://www.amazon.com/Illustrations-Freemasonry-Capt-William-Morgan/dp/1450572421 A Reason for Faith: The Explanation-Defying Book of Abraham by Kerry Muhlstein https://deseretbook.com/p/the-explanation-defying-book-of-abraham-bookshelf-ebook?variant_id=136126-ebook Timecodes: https://www.seevid.ir/fa/w/cIYpqw8ml1o Introduction and opening remarks https://www.seevid.ir/fa/w/cIYpqw8ml1o The Kirtland Egyptian Papers (KEP), a compendium of pseudo-Egyptian alphabet and grammar https://www.seevid.ir/fa/w/cIYpqw8ml1o The original papyri and the creation of the KEP https://www.seevid.ir/fa/w/cIYpqw8ml1o Why apologists are desperate to prove that Smith produced the Book of Abraham BEFORE the KEP https://www.seevid.ir/fa/w/cIYpqw8ml1o The apologetic argument that the BoA and KEP were dictated simultaneously https://www.seevid.ir/fa/w/cIYpqw8ml1o Real Egyptian characters combined with fabricated characters in the KEP https://www.seevid.ir/fa/w/cIYpqw8ml1o Apologetic argument that these characters were decorative or the English explanation was too detailed to have been intended as a translation https://www.seevid.ir/fa/w/cIYpqw8ml1o Comparing the KEP to the Book of Abraham makes it clear the KEP was intended as a translation https://www.seevid.ir/fa/w/cIYpqw8ml1o Proof the KEP was not using Egyptian characters decoratively https://www.seevid.ir/fa/w/cIYpqw8ml1o Egyptian characters in the KEP don't line up with English paragraph breaks, suggesting the text was not "reverse engineered" from the Book of Abraham https://www.seevid.ir/fa/w/cIYpqw8ml1o The apologists' rebuttal to the text alignment problem https://www.seevid.ir/fa/w/cIYpqw8ml1o The "Valuable Discovery" Notebook and sources of the KEP https://www.seevid.ir/fa/w/cIYpqw8ml1o What is the significance of all this? The tl;dr version https://www.seevid.ir/fa/w/cIYpqw8ml1o Joseph needed to claim to be descended from Abraham to explain the patriarchal priesthood https://www.seevid.ir/fa/w/cIYpqw8ml1o The degrees of the KEP grammar compendium https://www.seevid.ir/fa/w/cIYpqw8ml1o Apologetic argument that the characters in the KEP so rarely align with phrases used in the Book of Abraham that the KEP could not have been used for translation https://www.seevid.ir/fa/w/cIYpqw8ml1o The evidence in Joseph Smith's 1835 journals https://www.seevid.ir/fa/w/cIYpqw8ml1o The entire Book of Abraham rests on the idea that the KEP was "reverse engineered" without Joseph Smith's involvement https://www.seevid.ir/fa/w/cIYpqw8ml1o The "pious fraud" theory https://www.seevid.ir/fa/w/cIYpqw8ml1o Closing remarks #LDS #Mormon #PostMormon #ExMormon #MormonStories #Religion #Education

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